Sunday, March 29, 2020

No. 67 - Harry Greb

The Pittsburgh Windmill is another one of the more celebrated greats from past who ended up grading not nearly as highly as his historical reputation would suggest.

The Ring Magazine named Greb the seventh greatest fighter in the past 80 years. Boxing historian ranked Greb as the 5th greatest fighter ever and BoxRec's statistical ranking places him at No. 17 all time.

Greb, who was a world middleweight champion and American light heavyweight champion over a 13-year career, certainly had some very big wins.

He's the only fighter to ever beat Gene Tunney, and most experts thought the draw in their second fight should have gone to Greb as well. In fact, Greb has a good list of Hall of Famers on his victory list, including Bill Brennan, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Jimmy Slattery and Mickey Walker.

The reason he didn't grade higher is the vast majority of his fights were against club fighters. Out of Greb's 118 official decisions - Greg fought in the day of non-decision bouts and actually got in the ring 298 times professionally - only 18 were against Hall of Famers or title fights. He was 11-6-1 in those fights and never scored a knockout. His all action, arms flying, rules be damned style was more to pile up points rather than to do damage.

Amazingly, Greb scored his biggest wins, incluing the wins over Tunney and Walker, after he'd lost sight in one eye. In the 1920s, fighters had to fight often to keep money in the bank and by the time he was 32 he was declining rapidly. He had enough left to fight future Hall of Famer Tiger Flowers twice, losing two split decisions that fans in attendance thought were robberies.

Greb retired after the second Flowers fight in February 1926 and wouldn't last the year. He had surgery in October to repair damage to his nose and respiratory tract and died of heart failure when the surgery went poorly.


Harry Greb
Significant Fights
Opponent Result Fight
Points
Title
Points
HOF
Points
Total x Win % Final
Total
Bill Brennan UD-W 90 50 140 80.00% 112.0
Tommy Gibbons UD-W 90 100 190 98.72% 187.6
Gene Tunney UD-W 90 20 100 210 100.00% 210.0
Tommy Loughran UD-W 90 20 100 210 85.71% 180.0
Gene Tunney SD-L 25 5 25 55 98.18% 54.0
Johnny Wilson UD-W 90 100 190 72.37% 137.5
Bryan Downey UD-W 90 100 190 76.42% 145.2
Gene Tunney UD-L 0 0 0
Tommy Loughran UD-W 90 100 190 82.35% 156.5
Johnny Wilson UD-W 90 100 190 72.50% 137.8
Kid Norfolk UD-L 0 0 0
Ted Moore UD-W 90 100 190 85.71% 162.9
Jimmy Slattery UD-W 90 50 140 97.96% 137.1
Tommy Loughran Draw 50 50 100 79.31% 79.3
Mickey Walker UD-W 90 100 100 290 85.54% 248.1
Tiger Flowers SD-L 25 25 25 75 88.62% 66.5
Tiger Flowers SD-L 25 25 25 75 89.23% 66.9
Totals (11-6-1, 3 SDL) 2,081.2
Record in non-significant fights
96-2-2, 48 KOs, 2 KOd 9,170
% of fights toward 50 (32%) 2,934.4 2,934.4 66.22% 1,943.2
Totals 4,024.4
Peak 5 Fights
Mickey Walker 248.1
Gene Tunney 210.0
Tommy Gibbons 187.6
Tommy Loughran 180.0
Ted Moore 162.9
Peak 5 Totals 988.5
Final Totals (significant, non-significant, Peak 5) 5,012.9

Boxing's 100 Countdown
Rank Fighter Significant
Fights
Non-Significant
Fights
Peak 5 Final
Total
67. Harry Greb 2,081.2 1,943.2 988.5 5,012.9
68. Riddick Bowe 1,260.4 2,852.8 888.8 5,002.0
69. Duilio Loi 2,227.0 1,820.8 949.3 4,997.1
70. Aaron Pryor 1,771.3 2,196.5 1,022.9 4,999.7
71. Bob Foster 2,328.8 1,699.4 956.0 4,984.2
72. Andre Ward 1,681.0 2,513.8 774.0 4,968.9
73. Gene Tunney 1,578.0 2,260.9 1,114.9 4,953.8
74. Terry Norris 2,777.9 1,327.0 847.2 4,952.2
75. Ike Williams 2,209.4 1,667.5 1,055.3 4,932.2
76. Vasiliy Lomachenko 1,866.8 2,343.9 714.8 4,925.4
77. Mike McCallum 1,998.4 2,124.3 800.4 4,923.2
78. Billy Conn 1,937.3 1,936.1 1,031.5 4,905.0
79. Benny Leonard 1,729.8 2,089.5 1,040.1 4,859.4
80. Sugar Shane Mosley 2,479.9 1,512.3 858.7 4,850.9
81. Lou Ambers 1,589.2 2,098.7 1,158.2 4,846.1
82. Harry Wills 2,564.4 1,355.7 923.7 4,843.8
83. Mickey Walker 1,987.8 1,775.7 1,075.4 4,838.8
84. Joe Gans 2,314.9 1,639.8 883.0 4,837.6
85. Sven Ottke 2,824.5 1,317.7 687.5 4,829.7
86. Ronald "Winky" Wright 2,243.3 1,658.3 922.5 4,824.1
87. Fighting Harada 1,259.6 2,409.2 1,105.9 4,774.7
88. Humberto Gonzalez 1,866.7 1,952.3 907.3 4,726.4
89. Ricardo Lopez 2,830.5 1,188.1 702.7 4,721.3
90. Carmen Basilio 1,723.3 1,804.7 1,184.1 4,712.2
91. Orlando Canizales 2,529.3 1,510.3 669.3 4,708.9
92. Jeff Fenech 2,103.9 1,728.7 844.8 4,677.4
93. Michael Carbajal 2,333.7 1,519.2 817.0 4,669.9
94. Marcel Thil 2,579.8 1,170.9 900.9 4,651.6
95. Nicolino Locche 1,858.0 1,946.8 820.3 4,625.1
96. Ricky Hatton 3,458.8 449.1 708.9 4,616.8
97. Ismael Laguna 1,059.5 2,659.4 889.9 4,608.7
98. Ramon "Chocalatito" Gonzalez 2,187.1 1,771.9 638.6 4,597.5
99. Wilfredo Benitez 1,439.4 2,223.0 914.4 4,586.8
100. Carlos Zarate 1,124.2 2,707.1 751.5 4,582.8

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